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Tove Warmerdam is a b*tch
This was forwarded to us. The content contains strict instructions that it is NOT to be published. We're convinced that any corresponce once received, unless marked private & confidential, can be published if permission is given and since Lauren gave us permission here it is.
By the way, the allegations Tove Warmerdam has made about the car owner's actions are not true. You needed to be there.

(Notice that Tove never answered the question about banning a Christian float with crosses if some people (probably Muslims who were 'remembering' the crusades) complained about it. This most likely means that they wouldn't. Religious discrimination much?

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Lauren wrote:

Hi,
I'd like to make an official complaint about your discrimination against Hindus which was made apparent at Snoqualmie Railroad Days 2007. I'm appalled by you and your staff's lack of religious education. I hope you will be rectifying this oversight in education immediately. The
swastika is over 3000 years old and a very important Hindu symbol.

I'll leave you with a few links that may help.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
http://history1900s.about.com/cs/swastika/a/swastikahistory.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4183467.stm
http://www.manwoman.net/swastika/
http://luckylove.livejournal.com/1040925.html

"Banning/fearing the swastika because of the Nazis is like banning/fearing
the cross because of the Crusades. It's nuts."

Lauren

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Tove wrote:

Dear Lauren,
I'm sorry you feel that way. In a parade we have less than one minute
to announce each parade entry. Me and the police officer explained to
him that people were complaining and asked him if he had material to
explain to all the people watching the parade. He had ONE card to show
what his beliefs were. At a parade we do not have the time to explain
all of Mr. Salimander's religious beliefs. I have no problems with the
Hindu religion. We were getting complaints from people in parade line
up that felt very upset by his entry and asked us to remove it. I have
many witness, many of which are police officers that will explain Mr.
Salimander became quite upset and we tried to calmly discuss the matter
with him. So there is no shame in what we did. Mr. Salimander wants
us to respect his beliefs, but he in return must respect others.
Tove' Warmerdam

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Lauren wrote:

"So there is no shame in what we did"
You keep telling yourselves that. Picking on Hindus and people with disabilities. I think you're a disgrace.
Lauren

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Tove wrote:

We did no such thing. We did not "pick on Hindus or people with disabilities." People with disabilities??? Where did that come from. It's legal for me to walk down the street in my bra and panties. It doesn't mean it won't offend people, or make it right. People WERE offended by his entry. I have MANY more emails in support of not letting him in. And when we told him people were upset, he was not peaceful by any means. Infact, I had to have a Police Officer with me. I have never picked on any one for their religion, or disabilities. A parade has ONE minute to announce any entry - not fifteen minutes to explain the symbols meaning. Not everyone thinks like you, not everyone thinks like me. People are offended by things. In a parade we have a small amount of time to explain each entry. I had MANY people approach us upset by this
entry. He should have applied ahead of time and purchased a booth to talk to people about his religion. Do you see the KKK in parades? Or people in their underwear? No.

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Lauren wrote:

Please stop shouting. You're hurting my ears.
You did pick on Hindus and a person with a disability. Anyone with half a brain knows what a Nazi swastika looks like. Those who were offended really shouldn't be allowed out for their own safety. They might go into a shopping mall and see a model wearing a bikini!
His agitation was not due to a lack of peacefulness. It's part of his speech disability. Are you ashamed of yourself yet? You should be although I doubt you will be.
I have a speech impediment and yet I could easily explain the true meaning of the swastika in the context of his car in under 60 seconds. You copped out. You chose the easy option and trampled on the rights of Hindus everywhere.
Your version of events is very different to his and I'm more inclined to believe him.
I believe you owe the Hindu population an apology but I bet you're too coward to give it or even admit you were wrong. And you were wrong. You know it. Stop hiding behind the people you claim were offended, if they even exist.

Lauren

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Tove wrote:

I'm not shouting at all - I don't shout. And as for who you believe, that's your choice. I have witness, several infact. I have no shame for what I did. I know what really happened, and what we offered him. If he had more literature he could have done it, but he had ONE card. A parade
is not a forum for a discussion like this. A parade gives a small, and simple explaination of the entry. As for people offended - I have emails for WAY more people thanking me, than offended. I was not personally offended by the sign. But I will say the behavior by you, Mr. Salimander, and the ONE other person complaining to me - that is the real disappointment. I know many Hindu's that are peaceful, and yes I do know what the symbol represents. But what those people understand is NOT everyone thinks exactly like them. These people try and educate when they can, but don't push their beliefs on everyone. And if someone is upset or offended they realize that is their right. I think Salimander should find a place where he can explain to people his beliefs. And one minute bio on him and his beliefs is not enough.
This conversation has gone on long enough. I am not ashamed of what I did, I understand people are different and that they have different opinions. I have no problems with Hindus or people with a disability.
I wish you the best

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Lauren wrote:

Brush up on your 'netiquette'. Capitals are shouting even just for one word. He had more literature. He was giving it out to other people. Your 'burly' policemen and you yourself made him believe that you personally were offended by the symbol.
As for my behaviour being a disappointment? In that case I'm glad to disappoint you. If I see an injustice I will do something about it. I'm not the one who is unwilling to stick their neck out for what is right.
For the record, I'm not a Hindu.
People like you sadden me. You're part of the reason why there is so much hatred and intolerance in the world. I'm not saying you are for it or that you promote it but your lack of actions don't do anything to help prevent it.
What better time to talk about an injustice, in this case the 'theft' of a sacred symbol, than at a parade when you have everyone's attention. What were you afraid of? The stupid people? Knowing your type you probably were.
There's probably no point in this discussion as all you will do is hide behind the 'for the good of the many' argument.
Would you have asked a Christian float with a crucifix to stand down from the parade if enough other Christians who don't like the crucifix complained? I doubt it.
This correspondance will be posted to the "save swastikas" forum for all to see. This is the last you will hear from me.
Have a nice afterlife.

:)

Lauren

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Tove wrote:

It is illegal to publish (websites are publishing) without permission. I do not give my permission. I want no further contact, any further contact is harrassment.

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Lauren wrote:

aw diddums

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Tove wrote:

Last warning please do not contact me in any way.

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So Lauren's friend emailed to say that Lauren wouldn't be contacting her but that she did say Hi. She has a wicked sense of humor.

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